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为什么阿拉伯国家不喜欢以色列?
2020-01-25 大米 7 收藏 纠错&举报
原文标题:Why do Arab countries dislike Israel?
原文地址:https://www.quora.com/Why-do-Arab-countries-dislike-Israel
译文简介:我认为这个问题是基于一个错误的前提,即“阿拉伯国家不喜欢以色列”,像埃及这样过去被以色列轰炸过的国家,由于美国的影响和美元,与以色列的关系非常公开,非常友好。沙特阿拉伯试图对与以色列的合作保密,但很少有人不知道。就沙特阿拉伯而言,这种合作与以色列摧毁伊朗或让伊朗被摧毁的愿望有关,就像伊拉克和叙利亚曾经处于毁灭的边缘一样。他们完全无视世界舆论,憎恨真正的民主。与以色列为伴再合适不过了。
Shau Sumar, I have studied the origins and development of the conflict
1. I think the question is based on a false premise that “Arab countries dislike Israel” Countries like Egypt which has been bombed by Israel in the past is very openly on very friendly terms with Israel thanks to US influence and US dollars. Saudi Arabia tries to keep its cooperation with Israel secret but there can be very few people who don’t know about that. In the case of Saudi Arabia this cooperation is linked to Israel’s desire to destroy Iran or have it destroyed, much like Iraq has been and Syria was on the brink of being. The same desire is at the top of the Saudi Arabian wish list. Both countries, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, have atrocious human rights records. They have total disregard of world opinion and hate true democracy. Quite fitting company for Israel.
2. Everybody who dislikes racial superiority, oppression, mass injustice, dispossession, apartheid, ethnic cleansing and settler colonialism will naturally dislike Israel and all countries which practice any of those evils.

Shau Sumar,我研究过冲突的起源和发展。
1、我认为这个问题是基于一个错误的前提,即“阿拉伯国家不喜欢以色列”,像埃及这样过去被以色列轰炸过的国家,由于美国的影响和美元,与以色列的关系非常公开,非常友好。沙特阿拉伯试图对与以色列的合作保密,但很少有人不知道。就沙特阿拉伯而言,这种合作与以色列摧毁伊朗或让伊朗被摧毁的愿望有关,就像伊拉克和叙利亚曾经处于毁灭的边缘一样。他们完全无视世界舆论,憎恨真正的民主。与以色列为伴再合适不过了。
2、凡是不喜欢种族优越感、压迫、大规模不公正、剥夺、种族隔离、种族清洗和移民殖民主义的人自然都不喜欢以色列和所有实行这些罪恶的国家。

Ziaddinè Chahoudi
On the mind of Arabs, Israel is a representative of a colonial product. However, going deeper and further, it isn’t that simple.
Jews have been, for a long time, a persecuted people in Europe, a fact that developed by previous atrocities caused by European rulers as the Jews became exiled in this soil due to the Roman Empire. However, as they lived too long in Europe, the memoir of Jewish existence was only marred by very little information.
The Arabs, in contrast, are not an unified ethnic group, but rather a massive mixed identity. The only real Arabs are those from the Gulf states, where they came from. Arabs in Levant, Iraq and North Africa are mostly recognized as Arabized people, whom many of its cultures are not the same to Gulf Arabs except the language. Levant and North Africa, however, had a long contact with ancient civilization, being used to have Roman influences, hence bearing some parts of it, conflict with Israel.
European persecution of Jews had made many of them started to look beyond to a promised land, and they often beared the story of the return to Jerusalem. Britain proposed the idea to send them to Africa, they didn’t listen. The Ottoman Sultan, Abdulhamid II, denied the request but tolerated Jewish immigration if this helped encounter Arab nationalism, and we could thank Turkish nationalism for that. In all these, the Ottoman policy played a role as the seed of a future Israeli state.
The WWI shaped the relations of Jews and Arabs towards both two warring factions: Britain-led Entente and Ottoman-allied Central Powers. The Ottomans didn’t trust both Jews and Arabs, but because of their long good tie with Jews, they had contained and imprisoned Arabs. Said, the Ottomans still carefully watched the Jews because they feared about British involvement — eventually led to deportation of Jews at 1916; more to irony because the Jews had participated in the massacre of Armenians on the Ottoman side.
Both the Jews and Arabs lobbied British office in Cairo in order to expel the Turks from their soil after what happened, and Britain decided to play side-by-side. Once, they negotiated with Hussein and the Hashemites. Other, they worked with exiled Zionist group and issued Balfour Declaration. The Hashemites also had negotiations with the Zionist movement fleeing from Europe, and they promised to give the whole Ottoman Palestine to Zionists; and the Arabs would control Transjordan. In the end, neither was honored and Britain took all these. France took Syria and Lebanon.
British rule in both side was the height of growing Jewish immigration and the WWII even brought more Jews running from the peak of European persecution to British Palestine. Fearing Arab mutiny, Britain decided to ban Jewish immigration, resulting with many deaths in the Mediterranean Sea; but the Arabs wanted Britain to get out, they hated how Britain fooled them before and so, the relationship between both were tense. Arabs tended to support Nazi Germany, though they didn’t support Nazi persecution of Jews because its goal was the expulsion of Britain and France; not on the Jews.
With the end of WWII, Britain faced opposition by both Jews and Arabs, and secret organizations of both attacked British interests there. When Britain withdrew, the Jews, who went slightly dominating the former mandate, declared Israel as a state. The Arab countries responded by war because it was declared in the Palestinian soil. The war happened but it ended with a disastrous loss for Arab force. However, all wars between Israel and Arab countries only occurred between Levant and North African Arab countries; but not the Gulf, those who don’t give a fuss and even working with Israel in secret.
There are many and various reasons why Arab countries in general dislike Israel, but I will list out:
Geographical position: the Arab countries at war with Israel are often Levant and North African ones; which many bear historical bond with previous Roman Empire. On the Jews’ eyes, the Romans were an oppressor. 
Political aspiration: both have anti-Israeli stance but neither Arab nations are united on its will. As said, Gulf Arabs had given no fuss on Palestinian cause, differ from Levant and North Africa. Thus, when they blame between, they would accuse other Arab nations as “Zionist”.
Foreign powers: there may need to explain, but there is a common blame, both in Israel and Arab World, that foreigners stepped on making trouble. The Turks were accused for behind it. The Russians and Americans were accused for helping Israel. Yeah.
It’s very complicated and Arab countries tend to dislike Israel, true, but they’re disunited and marginalized.

Ziaddinè Chahoudi
在阿拉伯人的心目中,以色列是一个殖民产物的代表。然而,再深入下去,事情就没那么简单了。
很长一段时间以来,犹太人在欧洲一直是受迫害的民族,这一事实是由欧洲统治者之前的暴行发展而来的,因为犹太人由于罗马帝国而被流放到这片土地上。然而,由于他们在欧洲生活的时间太长,关于犹太人存在的回忆录中只有很少的信息。
相比之下,阿拉伯人不是一个统一的民族,而是一个庞大的混合身份。真正的阿拉伯人是来自海湾国家的人,他们来自那里。在黎凡特、伊拉克和北非的阿拉伯人大多被认为是阿拉伯化的人,他们的许多文化与海湾阿拉伯人不同,除了语言。然而,黎凡特和北非与古代文明有着长期的联系,因为受罗马的影响,因此在某些方面与以色列产生了冲突。
欧洲人对犹太人的迫害使他们中的许多人开始把目光投向远方的乐土,他们经常讲述回到耶路撒冷的故事。英国提出把他们派到非洲去,他们不听从。奥斯曼帝国的苏丹阿卜杜勒-哈米德二世拒绝了这一要求,但如果这有助于对抗阿拉伯民族主义,他会容忍犹太移民,我们应该为此感谢土耳其民族主义。在所有这些方面,奥斯曼帝国的政策为未来的以色列国家播下了种子。
第一次世界大战使犹太人和阿拉伯人的关系朝着两个敌对的派别发展: 英国领导的协约国和奥斯曼联盟的同盟国。奥斯曼人并不信任犹太人和阿拉伯人,但由于他们与犹太人的长期友好关系,他们控制和监禁了阿拉伯人。据说,奥斯曼人仍然密切关注着犹太人,因为他们担心英国卷入其中——最终导致1916年犹太人被驱逐出境;更讽刺的是,犹太人参与了奥斯曼帝国对亚美尼亚人的大屠杀。
事件发生后,犹太人和阿拉伯人都游说英国驻开罗(埃及首都)办事处将土耳其人驱逐出他们的领土,英国决定并肩作战。有一次,他们与侯赛因和哈希姆派谈判。另外,他们与流亡的犹太复国主义团体合作,并发表了《贝尔福宣言》。哈桑王族的成员还与逃离欧洲的犹太复国主义运动进行了谈判,他们承诺把整个奥斯曼巴勒斯坦交给犹太复国主义者;阿拉伯人控制了外约旦。最后,这两个国家都没有获得荣誉,英国获得了所有这些荣誉。法国占领了叙利亚和黎巴嫩。
英国对双方的统治是犹太移民增长的高峰,二战甚至把更多的犹太人从欧洲迫害的高峰带到了英属巴勒斯坦。由于担心阿拉伯人叛变,英国决定禁止犹太人移民,导致许多人死于地中海;但是阿拉伯人希望英国人离开,他们讨厌英国人之前愚弄他们的方式,所以,双方的关系很紧张。阿拉伯人倾向于支持纳粹德国,尽管他们不支持纳粹迫害犹太人,因为他们的目标是驱逐英国和法国;而不是犹太人。
二战结束后,英国面临着犹太人和阿拉伯人的反对,双方的秘密组织都攻击英国在那里的利益。当英国撤出时,犹太人宣布以色列为一个国家。阿拉伯国家以战争作为回应,因为它是在巴勒斯坦领土上宣布的。战争爆发了,但以阿拉伯军队的惨败告终。然而,以色列与阿拉伯国家之间的所有战争只发生在黎凡特和北非阿拉伯国家之间;但海湾地区却不是这样,他们没有大惊小怪,甚至与以色列秘密合作。
阿拉伯国家普遍不喜欢以色列的原因有很多,但我将列举如下原因:
地理位置: 与以色列交战的阿拉伯国家通常是黎凡特和北非国家;许多都与前罗马帝国有历史渊源。在犹太人眼中,罗马人是压迫者。
政治抱负: 这两个国家都有反以色列的立场,但两个阿拉伯国家的意愿不是一致的。如前所述,海湾阿拉伯人对巴勒斯坦的事业没有大惊小怪,这与黎凡特和北非不同。因此,当他们相互指责时,他们会指责其他阿拉伯国家是“犹太复国主义者”。
外国势力: 这可能需要解释一下,但无论是在以色列还是在阿拉伯世界,都有一个共同的指责,那就是外国人在制造麻烦。土耳其人被指控是幕后黑手。俄罗斯人和美国人被指控帮助以色列。是的。
这是非常复杂的,阿拉伯国家往往不喜欢以色列,没错,但他们是分裂和边缘化的。

Norman Lowe
Because Jews never accepted Mohammad as a prophet.
Because the existence of Israel represents a threat to Muslim Arab hegemony over the region they conquered centuries ago, and could see other minority groups also rebel against Arab rule.
In Islam, once a place is conquered it belongs to Muslims forever. This is why groups like Al Qaeda included Spain and the Balkans in the list of grievances. The religion demands Muslims fight until all the world comes under Islamic rule. That fight can be peaceful (immigration, preaching) or open warfare…the disagreements are basically which one is most effective.

Norman Lowe
因为犹太人从来没有接受穆罕默德为先知。
因为以色列的存在对穆斯林阿拉伯人在他们几个世纪前占领的地区的霸权构成了威胁,可以看到其他少数群体也在反抗阿拉伯人的统治。
在伊斯兰教中,一个地方一旦被征服,它就永远属于穆斯林。这就是为什么像基地组织这样的组织会把西班牙和巴尔干国家列入不满名单。这场斗争可以是和平的(移民、讲道),也可以是公开的战争……基本上,分歧在于哪种方式最有效。

Abu Ahham
Not the entire of Arab world dislike Israel. Saudi Arabia for example, they have the closest relation with Israel. Many Arabs have a radical thoughts upon the Jewish regime. This radical thought triggered the war. Of course the Jews not let the same thing happen to their society like in WW2 case. I view that Arab coutries hate Israel because they can’t separate between religion conflict and political conflict. Arab leaders always mix these two things into one. Saudi Arabia working together with Israel for improving their energy, technology, Palestine issue, and for fighting Shia regimes on the Middle East.

Abu Ahham
并非整个阿拉伯世界都不喜欢以色列。例如沙特阿拉伯,他们与以色列的关系最密切。许多阿拉伯人对犹太人政权有激进的看法。这种激进的思想引发了战争。当然,犹太人不会让同样的事情发生在他们的社会上,就像二战那样。我认为阿拉伯国家恨以色列是因为他们无法区分宗教冲突和政治冲突。阿拉伯领导人总是把这两件事混为一谈。沙特阿拉伯与以色列合作,改善他们的能源、技术、巴勒斯坦问题,并在中东对抗什叶派政权。

Larry Rubin, BA Economics and Accounting
Because the Arab leaders envisioned a middle east that is entirely under Arab control. They can't stomach the thought of a country led by people who are different from them. Let alone a country whose people are free, successful, and innovative, making land that was neglected and a backwater bring forth many kinds of produce and whose economy is thriving. It's easy to hate people who are different, especially when that hate is indoctrinated into children starting at birth.

Larry Rubin,经济学和会计学学士。
因为阿拉伯领导人设想了一个完全由阿拉伯人控制的中东。他们无法忍受一个由与他们不同的人领导的国家。更别说是一个人民自由、成功和创新的国家,让被忽视和荒僻的土地生产出多种产品,让经济蓬勃发展。人们很容易憎恨与自己不同的人,尤其是当这种憎恨在孩子出生时就灌输给他们的时候。

Joe Samson
Because Israel was created on land that people were already living on. The Palestinian people were already there. Israel continues to take more land from these people against the wishes of the international community. That generally oppress these people and try to limit the amount of food that can enter their country, etc.

Joe Samson
因为以色列是在人们已经生活的土地上创造的。巴勒斯坦人民已经在那里了。以色列继续不顾国际社会的意愿,从这些人民手中夺取更多的土地。压迫这些人,并试图限制进入他们国家的食物数量,等等。

John Horton
Practical Reason:
The dictatorships of the Arab countries need something to distract the beggar common Arab / Muslim people about why their lives are so miserable when the Arab / Persian Gulf countries are rolling in money, so the Arab governments create a demon to distract the Arab / Muslim people called “Israel” so the Arab / Muslim people won’t ask why they have none of the oil money given to them.
Theological Reason:
The tenets of Islam require that no Muslim land can ever be ceded to a non-Muslim power. The acquisition of sovereignty by the Jews over the territory associated with Israel today demonstrates that Islam is not an ever expanding and conquering religion (i.e. “the will of God”) and/or an always successful “totalitarian political system” (like Nazism or Communism) but is capable of being defeated and forced into retreat. This is why Muslims pine away and long for the reconquering of Andalus and of Israel / Palestine.

John Horton
实际理由:
阿拉伯国家的独裁需要一些东西来转移普通阿拉伯/穆斯林乞丐的注意力,让他们知道,当阿拉伯/波斯湾国家财源滚滚时,他们的生活为何如此悲惨,所以阿拉伯政府创造了一个恶魔来分散阿拉伯/穆斯林人民的注意力,这个恶魔叫做“以色列”,这样阿拉伯/穆斯林人民就不会问为什么他们没有得到石油收入。
神学上的理由:
伊斯兰教的教义要求任何穆斯林土地都不能割让给非穆斯林势力。犹太人对今天与以色列有关的领土取得主权表明,伊斯兰教不是一个不断扩张和征服的宗教(即“上帝的旨意”)和/或一个总是成功的极权主义政治制度(像纳粹主义和共产主义),而是能够被打败和被迫撤退的。这就是为什么穆斯林渴望重新征服安达卢斯和以色列/巴勒斯坦的原因。

Doug Sandlin, Non-religious; has studied Islam-related issues for years.
Because in 1948 and 1967 they forced non-Jewish Arabs off their ancestral lands, and away from their homes, and forbade them the right to return, so that they could have the Jewish-majority demographics that they demanded for the Jewish state, and the additional territories they intend to annex over time (aka the “occupied Palestinian territories”).
If a large group of immigrants and descendants from thousands of miles away moved to the region where you live, and over the course of a few decades, did the same to people who share your ethnicity and speak your language - you might well dislike those people, and the nation they created by force in the midst of your region, too.
Human nature seems fairly universal, in that respect.

Doug Sandlin,无信仰;多年来一直研究伊斯兰相关问题。
因为在1948年和1967年,他们强迫非犹太阿拉伯人离开他们祖传的土地,离开他们的家园,并禁止他们返回的权利,这样他们就可以拥有犹太人占多数的人口结构,他们要求建立一个犹太国家,以及他们打算随着时间的推移而吞并的额外领土(也就是“被占领的巴勒斯坦领土”)。
如果一大群移民和后裔从千里之外来到你居住的地区,并且在几十年的时间里,对那些和你有相同种族、说你的语言的人也做了同样的事——你很可能不喜欢这些人,也不喜欢他们在你的地区用武力建立的国家。
在这方面,人性似乎相当一致。

Dan Abraham Erlich
In part it is their Islamic religion, in part EGO..
They are “offended” by Muslims being forced to live under the rule of Jewish Administration, they feel strongly that it should be the other way round… not going to happen mind you but hey you asked…
Their ego gives them the feeling they have or should have supremacy and superiority over others.  They feel insult, shame and view it as a depravity that a JEW should control a Muslim.. Their pride and ego can not accept the facts of the matter. Not accepting reality - has a description and that would be delusion, the opposite of rational.
Then to drive them totally insane… the Jews have succeeded in creating a powerful economic miracle, and have succeeded in being able to defend themselves… actual accomplishments… significant accomplishments..

Dan Abraham Erlich,
部分原因是他们的伊斯兰教,部分是他们的自负…
他们对穆斯林被迫生活在犹太人统治下感到“被冒犯了”,他们强烈认为应该是另一种情况……
他们的自负给了他们一种感觉,他们拥有或应该拥有高于他人的优越感。他们感到侮辱、羞耻,认为犹太人控制穆斯林是一种堕落。他们的骄傲和自负无法接受事实。不接受现实——有另外一个描述,那就是妄想,理性的反面。
然后把他们逼疯…犹太人已经成功地创造了一个强大的经济奇迹,并且成功地能够保护自己…这是实际的成就…有意义的成就…
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