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蒙古国会再次融入中国吗?
2020-01-16 墨点er 28 收藏 纠错&举报
原文标题:Will Mongolia ever integrate into China again?
原文地址:https://www.quora.com/Will-Mongolia-ever-integrate-into-China-again
译文简介:这是一个愚蠢的问题。 中国曾经在蒙古人的统治下,蒙古人又曾经在满族人的统治下,但蒙古不是现代中国的一部分。 蒙古族人确实生活在中国,但那是另一回事。 
这就好比说为什么X不是Y的一部分一样? 因为事情就是这样,以后也会是这样。 蒙古人和中国人在文化、语言和基因上都有很大的不同。 蒙古的优势y染色体是C2b,中国的优势y染色体是O3。 
Byamba Nergui
This is a silly question. China was under the Mongol rule, and the Mongols were under the Manchu rule, but Mongolia was not part of the modern China. Ethnic Mongols do live in China, but that’s a different story.
This is like saying why is X not part of Y? Because that’s just how it is, and it will remain that way. Mongolians are very different from the Chinese in terms of culture, language, and genetics. The dominant Y-Chromosome is C2b in Mongolia while it is O3 in China.

这是一个愚蠢的问题。 中国曾经在蒙古人的统治下,蒙古人又曾经在满族人的统治下,但蒙古不是现代中国的一部分。 蒙古族人确实生活在中国,但那是另一回事。 
这就好比说为什么X不是Y的一部分一样? 因为事情就是这样,以后也会是这样。 蒙古人和中国人在文化、语言和基因上都有很大的不同。 蒙古的优势y染色体是C2b,中国的优势y染色体是O3。 

Munkh S,金融学学士(2017) 
No, never.
Once we have our animals we can survive somehow! We won’t need others help, even China’s!!!
I heard that our inner Mongolians trying to disintegrate from china like Tibet people. Cause of discrimination of their herding, nomadic lifestyle. Even there are some videos where Chinese people hitting and killing animals by car. What a worse thing it was. We won’t wanna be shamed or most of us are not one who forget their culture and follow others for money!
Insofar as there was Mongolian empire, currently Mongolia nation. We had conquered China several times. But never defeated or even integrated into china.
We ourselves wanna attack into china and conquer them or at least wanna take our inner Mongolian brothers. China’s weakness is there are resistance of some state! Including Inner Mongolian, Xinjiang, Tibetan, Taiwanese. We have low population in our country, but if we can ignite china’s enemies it would collapse soon!

不会,永远不可能。 
一旦我们有了自己的牛羊,我们就能以某种方式生存! 我们不需要别人的帮助,即使是中国的!! 
我听说我们的内蒙人试图像西藏人一样从中国分裂出去。 造成歧视蒙古人的原因是他们的游牧习惯,以及游牧生活方式。 甚至有一些视频显示中国人开车撞死牛羊。 这是一件多么糟糕的事情呀。 我们不想被羞辱,或者我们大多数人不是那种为了钱而忘记自己的文化而跟随别人的人! 
就蒙古帝国而言,也就是现在的蒙古民族。 我们曾多次征服中国。 但从未被打败,甚至没有融入中国。 
我们自己想要进攻中国并征服他们,或者至少想要接回我们的内蒙古兄弟。 中国的弱点是有一些内部地区在抵抗中国! 包括内蒙古、新疆、西藏、中国台湾等地区。 我们国家人口少,但如果我们能够煽动中国的敌人,中国很快就会崩溃! 

Gwyn Plaine, 大学学的是历史。 但我很少读历史书。 
Yes, Very possible. Despite all of the answers are stating it otherwise.
Why? Because Mongolia can’t defend herself. Her only defense is by diplomacy.
I’m surprised some people saying “Chinese wouldn’t want Mongolia”. There can’t be an empire who is not willing to take an underpopulated huge territory with lots of mineral resource. Chinese went on to fight Indians for much smaller territory, see Sino-Indian war.
If by some fate Russia weakens so much Mongolia has no defense. As i’m not seeing America starting World War 3 for an impoverished nation that can’t be reached. And the Chinese have casus belli to annex as Mongolia was a part of Qing dynasty.

是的,是很有可能的。 尽管所有的答案都是相反的。 
为什么呢? 因为蒙古无法自我防卫。 蒙古国唯一的防御手段是外交。 
我很惊讶有些人说“中国人不想要蒙古”。 一个帝国不可能不愿意占领一个人口稀少、矿产资源丰富的巨大领地。 中国人为了很小的领土都会继续与印度人战斗,这就是我们所说的中印战争。 
如果俄罗斯在某种程度上削弱了蒙古,蒙古就没有了防御力量。 因为我不觉得美国会为了一个无法触及的贫困国家发动第三次世界大战。 中国有理由吞并蒙古,因为蒙古是清朝的一部分。 

Unurbat Erdenemunkh,人类 
It will not happen!.
1. Chinese goverment has much important issues to resolve internally. One being how to keep the existing sovereignty with the existing goverment structure.  This will be THE challenge for China in next ten years. We have seen its problems in the begining this year through its stock market. The China's economic worries are rooted in its so called " Communist regime".
2. Mongolian soverieghty plays important role for Russia and China's demolatic relationship. 
3.  Mongolian people will never want to be annexed into China.
The only worry would be the mass  scaled movement of the Chinese immigrants into Mongolia. This is where Mongolian goverment needs think critically to design a policy in which still benefits from its labor but also insure that those immigrants wont be itegrated into Mongolian culture.

这是不会发生的! 
1. 中国有许多重要的内部问题要解决。 一个是如何在现有的政府结构下保持现有的主权。 这将是未来十年中国所面临的挑战。 我们从今年年初的股市就看到了中国存在的问题。 中国的经济忧患根源于其所谓的“政权”。 
2. 蒙古帝国对中俄两国的外交关系起着重要的作用。 
3.蒙古人民永远不想被中国所吞并。 
唯一令人担心的是中国移民大规模进入蒙古。 这就是蒙古政府需要批判性思考的地方,设计一种政策,既能从这些移民的劳动中获益,又能保证这些移民不会融入蒙古文化。 

Bob Stone, 武术家,遗迹摄影师,业余虚拟非考古学家,… 
what's the motive of this question? first of all, there is no outer mongolia. it's just Mongolia. second, why would the Mongolians want to join PRC and lose their sovereignty? China has enough problems to deal with as it is and Mongolians like having their own country. It's as odd as asking does Europe want to integrate with France again, because Napoleonic France..... or will USA integrate with Great Britain again....

这个问题的动机是什么? 首先,没有外蒙古。 那叫做蒙古国。 第二,为什么蒙古国人要加入中华人民共和国而失去他们自己的主权? 中国有足够多的问题需要处理,而蒙古国人喜欢自己的国家。 这就像问欧洲是否想再次与法国整合一样奇怪,因为拿破仑时代的法国… 或者美国将再次与英国合并… 

Sophia-Helene Mees de Tricht 
Not without that very special intervention that the PLA has a long and storied history of indulging in. No, China can't even make a questionably-legitimate cultural claim to Mongolia. The language is different, the culture is WAY different, the land is not particularly valuable... There's no reason to incur the world's wrath by attempting it.

中国有着悠久而传奇的干预蒙古的历史。 不可能,中国甚至不能对蒙古提出合法的文化主张。 语言不同,文化也不同,土地也不是特别宝贵…… 没有理由因为试图吞并蒙古国而招致世界的愤怒。 

Matt Lee
Who knows? Currently, China is more interested in taking Taiwan as its much more strategically vital. There is already no rivalry for China on the continent. China's priority is to expand its navy in the Asia Pacific region. If Mongolia was really that important to China's overall strategy, I wouldn't think China wouldn't take it. People like predicting future based on their limited experiences and their immature historical philosophy, they cant even foresee their own destiny.

谁知道呢? 目前,中国更感兴趣的是将中国台湾视为其更具战略重要性的地区。 中国在这片大陆已经没有对手了。 中国的首要任务是扩大其在亚太地区的海军。 如果蒙古真的对中国的整体战略那么重要,我认为中国不会吞并它的。 人们喜欢根据自己有限的经验和不成熟的历史哲学来预测未来,他们甚至无法预见自己的命运。 

Ulzii Nergqui,居住在蒙古(1991-2014) 
No way. Mongolian people do not really know about China well. We Mongolians think that China is full of skyscrapers, happy people and so on. But i have not seen it so far. What i have seen is things that China tries to hide. It has been ages that price of apartment in China is rising at rocket speed. As a Mongolian, i do not want to waste my life saving huge amount of money to buy a roof that covers my head. An apartment close to beach in Sydney is cheaper than apartment nowhere in Shanghai. Other cities are still extremely expensive compared to average salary in China. If you do not believe me, then go ask your Chinese friend as to how they are planning to buy it. Chinese people like to say that Mongolia is poor and backward country, but the question is why people in 2nd largest economy in the world are living like this. Some people do not have access to basic things like healthcare and education as same quality of life as people in major cities in China. Does Chinese government leave them behind, when the country has GDP of $10000 per person? When i was in China, I did not understand why there was enormous gap between people living in cities and people living in rural areas of China. Income inequality is even more huge.
In China, individuals could have great opportunities. But there is competition. This is really really huge for the people who struggling through life. Everything starts from very early age. Going to dancing class and then 14 hours of study. It is not their passion, it is just to beat the orher people in China. Of course, China has better infrastructure than Mongolia. However, commuting is overwhelming that lots of people must spend 2–4 hours on transport a day. 
These are things that Mongolian people will never know. The reason is simple that the media in Mongolia only show us something positive about China than the negatives, except for Facebook. I have been online for years on Quora, and happened to read post written by Chinese people. What i have seen is that Chinese people are the most arrogant people on earth. 

 How much they being rude and ignorant is staggering. That is why Mongolian people not like to be part of China at any cost for hundreds of years. Some Chinese Quorans say that they can close the border, but i am being aware of they not being the one who closes the border. Keep in mind the biggest export from Mongolia to China is not coal, copper. It is the sand storm. Mongolia exports billions of tonnes of sand for free as the vast majority winds blow from the north to the south. It will never end(you can not basically stop the mother nature).

不可能。 蒙古国人并不真正了解中国。 我们蒙古国人认为中国到处都是摩天大楼,人们生活的很幸福等等。 但我到目前为止还没见过这些情景。 我看到的是中国试图掩盖的事情。 多年来,中国的房价一直在以火箭般的速度上涨。 作为一个蒙古国人,我不想浪费我的生命,只为节省大量的钱来买一个遮风挡雨的屋顶。 悉尼海滩附近的公寓比上海任何地方的公寓都便宜。 与中国的平均工资相比,世界其他城市的工资仍然非常高昂的。 如果你不相信我,那就去问问你的中国朋友,他们打算怎么买房。 中国人喜欢说蒙古国是一个贫穷落后的国家,但问题是为什么世界第二大经济体的人们会这样生活。 一些人不能像中国大城市的人一样享受基本的医疗和教育。 当中国人均GDP达到10000美元时,中国政府会把他们抛在脑后吗? 当我在中国的时候,我不明白为什么在中国的城市和农村之间存在着巨大的差距。 收入差距甚至更大。 
在中国,个人可以有很大的机会。 但也存在竞争。 这对那些在生活中挣扎的人来说意义重大。 竞争从很小的时候就开始了。 去上舞蹈课,然后学习14个小时。 这不是他们的想要的,这只是为了打败其他的中国人。 当然,中国的基础设施比蒙古好。 然而,通勤是令人担忧的,许多人一天必须花2-4小时的通勤时间。 
这些事情蒙古人永远不会知道。 原因很简单,除了Facebook,蒙古的媒体只向我们展示了中国的一些积极方面,而不是消极方面。 我在Quora(美版知乎)上呆了几年,偶然看到了一些中国人写的帖子。 我所看到的是,中国人是世界上最傲慢的民族。 
他们如此粗鲁无知,令人震惊。这就是为什么数百年来蒙古人民愿意不惜任何代价不成为中国的一部分。一些中国Quora用户说他们可以关闭边境,但我知道他们不是那种可以关闭边境的人。请记住,蒙古对中国最大的出口不是煤炭、铜,而是沙尘暴。随着绝大多数风从北吹到南,蒙古免费出口数十亿吨沙子。这种现象永远不会结束(你根本无法阻止你的大自然母亲)。
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